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Hello,

Let's say I have a service-route installed on some remote, which is used to redistribute routes coming from BGP from local cisco site router into SVR and populate them to other routers. This service-route references to service, which has only network 0.0.0.0/0 with security and service policy assigned. It works normally and appropriate service route is auto-generated on all required routers. Let's name it like "remote-subnets-from-bgp". 

For example, I have another service defined, let's say it is SSH (TCP/22). For these SSH connections I need to use different service policy and security policy. So this route should contain 0.0.0.0/0 as service address and TCP/22 for service transport. Let's name it "Application-SSH". 

Is there any way to combine "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and "Application-SSH" without creating a service-route on my remote router with "Use Learned Routes" type for each application-specific service like "Application-SSH"? Or is there is a way to auto-generate such service-routes? 

#BGP #ssh
Thank you


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Ivan Minin
Houston TX
(346) 319-6699
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Hi @Ivan - I see you have yet to get an answer on this question. I believe @Vanya and @Justin have been working on some training materials that cover this topic. Do either of you have some information you can provide to Ivan? ​

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Victoria Smiley
Interchange Community Manager
Burlington MA
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-21-2019 23:40
From: Ivan Minin
Subject: Combining services

Hello,

Let's say I have a service-route installed on some remote, which is used to redistribute routes coming from BGP from local cisco site router into SVR and populate them to other routers. This service-route references to service, which has only network 0.0.0.0/0 with security and service policy assigned. It works normally and appropriate service route is auto-generated on all required routers. Let's name it like "remote-subnets-from-bgp".

For example, I have another service defined, let's say it is SSH (TCP/22). For these SSH connections I need to use different service policy and security policy. So this route should contain 0.0.0.0/0 as service address and TCP/22 for service transport. Let's name it "Application-SSH".

Is there any way to combine "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and "Application-SSH" without creating a service-route on my remote router with "Use Learned Routes" type for each application-specific service like "Application-SSH"? Or is there is a way to auto-generate such service-routes?

Thank you


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Ivan Minin
Houston TX
(346) 319-6699
------------------------------

Hi @Ivan Minin,

First off, thank you so much for your question! ​

Now, let me see if I am understanding what you are asking before I attempt to answer. You currently have a service called "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and it has a service-route that works correctly. You need to create a different service for "Application-SSH" because this has different service and security policies. So you are wondering if you can make the configuration of service-routes easier by using the same service-route you already have configured. Did I understand this correctly?

@peetee, correct me if I am wrong, but unfortunately, I believe the answer is no, and that's just due to the fact that the service-routes are tied to the service. 

Now, if it does help at all, you can clone your existing service-routes and then just change the service. This will at least make some of the configuration easier, but it does not automate the whole process.

Also, as for the auto-generation of service-routes. In order for that to happen, you need to:
1. be in a neighborhood that has access to the service
2. already have a service-route to this service defined
3. make sure you have Share Service Routes in the service set to enabled (which is the default)

The second point there is the reason I don't think this will work in your case, or at least doesn't make it easier. You will still need to make 1 service-route headed to the SSH service that the 128T can use to auto-generate the other services. 

Let me know if I understood your original question correctly and if my answer helped at all. 

Thank you,
Justin

​

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Justin Melloni
Documentation/Training Specialist
MA
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 10:55
From: Victoria Smiley
Subject: Combining services

Hi @Ivan - I see you have yet to get an answer on this question. I believe @Vanya and @Justin have been working on some training materials that cover this topic. Do either of you have some information you can provide to Ivan? ​

------------------------------
Victoria Smiley
Interchange Community Manager
Burlington MA

Original Message:
Sent: 01-21-2019 23:40
From: Ivan Minin
Subject: Combining services

Hello,

Let's say I have a service-route installed on some remote, which is used to redistribute routes coming from BGP from local cisco site router into SVR and populate them to other routers. This service-route references to service, which has only network 0.0.0.0/0 with security and service policy assigned. It works normally and appropriate service route is auto-generated on all required routers. Let's name it like "remote-subnets-from-bgp".

For example, I have another service defined, let's say it is SSH (TCP/22). For these SSH connections I need to use different service policy and security policy. So this route should contain 0.0.0.0/0 as service address and TCP/22 for service transport. Let's name it "Application-SSH".

Is there any way to combine "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and "Application-SSH" without creating a service-route on my remote router with "Use Learned Routes" type for each application-specific service like "Application-SSH"? Or is there is a way to auto-generate such service-routes?

Thank you


------------------------------
Ivan Minin
Houston TX
(346) 319-6699
------------------------------

Yep, you got it Justin!

While your three points about service-route generation are accurate, I'd phrase it a little differently.

1. One of your routers must have an explicitly defined (not auto-generated) service-route to get to the service.
2. The share-service-routes setting in that service must be set to true.

If these two things are both true, then the Conductor will build service-routes for all directly adjacent routers to the one with the explicit service-route. (Direct adjacency is determined by two routers having interfaces in a common neighborhood with "compatible" topology types.)

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pt.
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 20:33
From: Justin Melloni
Subject: Combining services

Hi @Ivan Minin,

First off, thank you so much for your question! ​

Now, let me see if I am understanding what you are asking before I attempt to answer. You currently have a service called "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and it has a service-route that works correctly. You need to create a different service for "Application-SSH" because this has different service and security policies. So you are wondering if you can make the configuration of service-routes easier by using the same service-route you already have configured. Did I understand this correctly?

, correct me if I am wrong, but unfortunately, I believe the answer is no, and that's just due to the fact that the service-routes are tied to the service.

Now, if it does help at all, you can clone your existing service-routes and then just change the service. This will at least make some of the configuration easier, but it does not automate the whole process.

Also, as for the auto-generation of service-routes. In order for that to happen, you need to:
1. be in a neighborhood that has access to the service
2. already have a service-route to this service defined
3. make sure you have Share Service Routes in the service set to enabled (which is the default)

The second point there is the reason I don't think this will work in your case, or at least doesn't make it easier. You will still need to make 1 service-route headed to the SSH service that the 128T can use to auto-generate the other services.

Let me know if I understood your original question correctly and if my answer helped at all.

Thank you,
Justin

​

------------------------------
Justin Melloni
Documentation/Training Specialist
MA

Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 10:55
From: Victoria Smiley
Subject: Combining services

Hi - I see you have yet to get an answer on this question. I believe and have been working on some training materials that cover this topic. Do either of you have some information you can provide to Ivan? ​

------------------------------
Victoria Smiley
Interchange Community Manager
Burlington MA

Original Message:
Sent: 01-21-2019 23:40
From: Ivan Minin
Subject: Combining services

Hello,

Let's say I have a service-route installed on some remote, which is used to redistribute routes coming from BGP from local cisco site router into SVR and populate them to other routers. This service-route references to service, which has only network 0.0.0.0/0 with security and service policy assigned. It works normally and appropriate service route is auto-generated on all required routers. Let's name it like "remote-subnets-from-bgp".

For example, I have another service defined, let's say it is SSH (TCP/22). For these SSH connections I need to use different service policy and security policy. So this route should contain 0.0.0.0/0 as service address and TCP/22 for service transport. Let's name it "Application-SSH".

Is there any way to combine "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and "Application-SSH" without creating a service-route on my remote router with "Use Learned Routes" type for each application-specific service like "Application-SSH"? Or is there is a way to auto-generate such service-routes?

Thank you


------------------------------
Ivan Minin
Houston TX
(346) 319-6699
------------------------------

Here's a document I wrote on the topic a while back. Old, but still relevant.

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pt.
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 21:10
From: Patrick A Timmons
Subject: Combining services

Yep, you got it Justin!

While your three points about service-route generation are accurate, I'd phrase it a little differently.

1. One of your routers must have an explicitly defined (not auto-generated) service-route to get to the service.
2. The share-service-routes setting in that service must be set to true.

If these two things are both true, then the Conductor will build service-routes for all directly adjacent routers to the one with the explicit service-route. (Direct adjacency is determined by two routers having interfaces in a common neighborhood with "compatible" topology types.)

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pt.

Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 20:33
From: Justin Melloni
Subject: Combining services

Hi @Ivan Minin,

First off, thank you so much for your question! ​

Now, let me see if I am understanding what you are asking before I attempt to answer. You currently have a service called "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and it has a service-route that works correctly. You need to create a different service for "Application-SSH" because this has different service and security policies. So you are wondering if you can make the configuration of service-routes easier by using the same service-route you already have configured. Did I understand this correctly?

, correct me if I am wrong, but unfortunately, I believe the answer is no, and that's just due to the fact that the service-routes are tied to the service.

Now, if it does help at all, you can clone your existing service-routes and then just change the service. This will at least make some of the configuration easier, but it does not automate the whole process.

Also, as for the auto-generation of service-routes. In order for that to happen, you need to:
1. be in a neighborhood that has access to the service
2. already have a service-route to this service defined
3. make sure you have Share Service Routes in the service set to enabled (which is the default)

The second point there is the reason I don't think this will work in your case, or at least doesn't make it easier. You will still need to make 1 service-route headed to the SSH service that the 128T can use to auto-generate the other services.

Let me know if I understood your original question correctly and if my answer helped at all.

Thank you,
Justin

​

------------------------------
Justin Melloni
Documentation/Training Specialist
MA

Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 10:55
From: Victoria Smiley
Subject: Combining services

Hi - I see you have yet to get an answer on this question. I believe and have been working on some training materials that cover this topic. Do either of you have some information you can provide to Ivan? ​

------------------------------
Victoria Smiley
Interchange Community Manager
Burlington MA

Original Message:
Sent: 01-21-2019 23:40
From: Ivan Minin
Subject: Combining services

Hello,

Let's say I have a service-route installed on some remote, which is used to redistribute routes coming from BGP from local cisco site router into SVR and populate them to other routers. This service-route references to service, which has only network 0.0.0.0/0 with security and service policy assigned. It works normally and appropriate service route is auto-generated on all required routers. Let's name it like "remote-subnets-from-bgp".

For example, I have another service defined, let's say it is SSH (TCP/22). For these SSH connections I need to use different service policy and security policy. So this route should contain 0.0.0.0/0 as service address and TCP/22 for service transport. Let's name it "Application-SSH".

Is there any way to combine "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and "Application-SSH" without creating a service-route on my remote router with "Use Learned Routes" type for each application-specific service like "Application-SSH"? Or is there is a way to auto-generate such service-routes?

Thank you


------------------------------
Ivan Minin
Houston TX
(346) 319-6699
------------------------------

Dear all,

Thanks for explanations. It is clear now!

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Ivan Minin
Houston TX
(346) 319-6699
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 21:12
From: Patrick A Timmons
Subject: Combining services

Here's a document I wrote on the topic a while back. Old, but still relevant.

------------------------------
pt.

Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 21:10
From: Patrick A Timmons
Subject: Combining services

Yep, you got it Justin!

While your three points about service-route generation are accurate, I'd phrase it a little differently.

1. One of your routers must have an explicitly defined (not auto-generated) service-route to get to the service.
2. The share-service-routes setting in that service must be set to true.

If these two things are both true, then the Conductor will build service-routes for all directly adjacent routers to the one with the explicit service-route. (Direct adjacency is determined by two routers having interfaces in a common neighborhood with "compatible" topology types.)

------------------------------
pt.

Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 20:33
From: Justin Melloni
Subject: Combining services

Hi @Ivan Minin,

First off, thank you so much for your question! ​

Now, let me see if I am understanding what you are asking before I attempt to answer. You currently have a service called "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and it has a service-route that works correctly. You need to create a different service for "Application-SSH" because this has different service and security policies. So you are wondering if you can make the configuration of service-routes easier by using the same service-route you already have configured. Did I understand this correctly?

, correct me if I am wrong, but unfortunately, I believe the answer is no, and that's just due to the fact that the service-routes are tied to the service.

Now, if it does help at all, you can clone your existing service-routes and then just change the service. This will at least make some of the configuration easier, but it does not automate the whole process.

Also, as for the auto-generation of service-routes. In order for that to happen, you need to:
1. be in a neighborhood that has access to the service
2. already have a service-route to this service defined
3. make sure you have Share Service Routes in the service set to enabled (which is the default)

The second point there is the reason I don't think this will work in your case, or at least doesn't make it easier. You will still need to make 1 service-route headed to the SSH service that the 128T can use to auto-generate the other services.

Let me know if I understood your original question correctly and if my answer helped at all.

Thank you,
Justin

​

------------------------------
Justin Melloni
Documentation/Training Specialist
MA

Original Message:
Sent: 01-25-2019 10:55
From: Victoria Smiley
Subject: Combining services

Hi - I see you have yet to get an answer on this question. I believe and have been working on some training materials that cover this topic. Do either of you have some information you can provide to Ivan? ​

------------------------------
Victoria Smiley
Interchange Community Manager
Burlington MA

Original Message:
Sent: 01-21-2019 23:40
From: Ivan Minin
Subject: Combining services

Hello,

Let's say I have a service-route installed on some remote, which is used to redistribute routes coming from BGP from local cisco site router into SVR and populate them to other routers. This service-route references to service, which has only network 0.0.0.0/0 with security and service policy assigned. It works normally and appropriate service route is auto-generated on all required routers. Let's name it like "remote-subnets-from-bgp".

For example, I have another service defined, let's say it is SSH (TCP/22). For these SSH connections I need to use different service policy and security policy. So this route should contain 0.0.0.0/0 as service address and TCP/22 for service transport. Let's name it "Application-SSH".

Is there any way to combine "remote-subnets-from-bgp" and "Application-SSH" without creating a service-route on my remote router with "Use Learned Routes" type for each application-specific service like "Application-SSH"? Or is there is a way to auto-generate such service-routes?

Thank you


------------------------------
Ivan Minin
Houston TX
(346) 319-6699
------------------------------