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ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

  • 1.  ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 06-30-2023 15:03
    Edited by Kyla Jiayi Zhao 01-30-2024 14:04

    Hi Innovators, we have a very special event in store for you…

    ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator!

    Have any questions about PTX, Routing, and Optics? Then this is your guy!

    John Dinh
    Senior Product Marketing Manager
    Juniper Networks

    John is the Senior Product Marketing Manager for Juniper's Core Routing and Optics portfolios. John has 20+ years of experience in product marketing, product management and business development, covering various verticals – such as access, network aggregation, and optical transport, serving service providers, enterprise, industrial and consumer market. Most recently, John is leading marketing initiatives at Juniper to evangelize Juniper's Converged Optical Routing Architecture (CORA), an IPoDWDM solution, that promise compelling economic advantages over traditional two-layered models. 

    Post your questions for John in the comments below! John will start answering your questions on July 10 and the AMA will close on July 14. 

    If you like a question asked by another Innovator, click on the 'Recommend' button in the top right corner so that it's more likely to be seen by John.   



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    Kyla Jiayi Zhao
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  • 2.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 07-06-2023 13:23
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

     Hi John, thanks for doing this. My company uses PTX routers so definitely keen to hear from someone who works with PTX. What does your day-to-day job responsibilities look like? And how often does your team hear from customers? Thanks.


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  • 3.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-11-2023 12:45

    As a product marketing manager, I work closely with our product line managers (PLM) and other cross-functional teams to create marketing collaterals, execute marketing campaigns, and drive product positioning and messaging to create product awareness to internal and external audiences. The PLM team has direct interactions with customers daily.



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  • 4.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 07-10-2023 12:13
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    What can we expect to see for PTX routers in second half of 2023?


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  • 5.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-11-2023 12:45

    PTX family routers have been in production for a long time. Which PTX platform that you're interested in? Let me know what new features you're looking for. It might help me answer your question.



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  • 6.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 07-11-2023 14:17
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    Hi John, I'm interested in PTX10008 and PTX10003. No specific features in mind, just want to learn more about the roadmap for the year. Thanks. 


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  • 7.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-10-2023 15:48

    Hi John, I recently attended a local Cooperative Internet eXchange Point meeting. There was a lot of lively discussion around the pros and cons of using big chassis router hardware vs. individual 1U/2U routers (pizza boxes). Especially as it relates to upgrading carrier-grade network equipment from 100 Gig to higher fiber optic bandwidth. What are your thoughts on this form-factor debate and the decision process?



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  • 8.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-11-2023 12:45

    Hi Matt,

    There are many aspects to consider in comparing and making a trade-off decision between chassis routers and fixed form factor routers. Let's focus on the top six criteria for a simple comparison - scalability, flexibility, redundancy, versus cost, operational complexity, and power consumption.

    Big chassis router hardware

    Pros:

    • More scalability: Chassis routers can be scaled up by adding more modules, which makes them more scalable than individual pizza box routers.
    • More flexibility: Chassis routers can be configured with a variety of modules, which gives you more flexibility in terms of the features and functionality you can deploy.
    • More redundancy: Chassis routers can be configured with different redundancy schemes, which helps to improve reliability.

    Cons:

    • More expensive: Chassis routers are typically more costly than individual routers.
    • More complex to manage: Chassis routers can be more complex to manage than individual routers.
    • More power consumption: Chassis routers typically consume more power than individual routers.

    Individual 1U/2U routers

    Pros:

    • Less expensive: Individual routers are typically less costly than chassis routers.
    • Less complex to manage: Individual routers are typically less complex to manage than chassis routers.
    • Less power consumption: Individual routers typically consume less power than chassis routers.

    Cons:

    • Less scalable: Individual routers are not as scalable as chassis routers.
    • Less flexible: Individual routers cannot be configured with different functionalities and services as many modules in chassis routers.
    • Less redundancy: Individual routers do not have as much redundancy as chassis routers.

    Which type of router is right for you?

    The best type of router for you will depend on your specific needs and requirements. If you need a router that is highly scalable and flexible, then a chassis router is a good option. If you are on a budget or need a router that is easy to manage, then an individual router is a good option.

    Juniper offers both pizza-box and chassis routers at different scales, bandwidths, and performance levels. They are optimized for different use cases in the access, edge, and core networks.



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  • 9.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-11-2023 12:46
    Edited by Jodi Meier 07-12-2023 10:16     
    chrisk@router> sh[tab] rou[tab]... tab..... tab tab tab tab tab

Possible completions:
  route                Show routing table information
  routing              Show routing information
    chrisk@router> show routing ?                
    Possible completions:
      transport-class      Show routing Transport Class information
    
chrisk@router> show routing transport-class all color-only name all
    ....nothing.... because we don't use this feature on our network,
    ....nor on our firewalls
    ....nor on our switches
    i.e. It's been copied to devices that can't generally even run segment-routing.

    Hi JNPR PLMs.

    Question 1: Any particular reason you've added a "top level" show command for a single rarely-ever-used command?
    .. and in the process, broken 20+ years of finger memory?

    Question 2: Whats the most common command you will EVER type into a CLI on a Router, that does (you know....) routing? 

    May I suggest moving that command out of conflict with "show route"?  

    such as:

    show route transport-class ...
    show segment-routing ....
    show spring transport-class ...

    Anything except "show routing" please.


    Thanks.



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  • 10.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-13-2023 11:12

    Hi Chris,

    Thank you for your questions. I will follow up on your questions with the PLMs next week as they are at a tech conference in Spain.

    Regards,

    John



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  • 11.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-13-2023 11:08

    Hi John,

    The PTX and Express chipsets have really improved in terms of features and scale recently.

    What are the key considerations when comparing say the PTX10001 and MX304 in a PE role for SP service edge for L2 and L3 VPN services ?
    We would think the PTX was fast but feature poor and had limited FIB scale, now thats not the case.

    We know the Trio is feature rich, so what features are we giving up when we use the PTX in a PE role ?

    (Ignoring fine grain CoS, BNG, NAT for this discussion)

    Thanks !

    Steve



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  • 12.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-17-2023 20:14

    Thank you, Steve, for your question and interest in PTX and MX products.

    The PTX10001 and MX304 are both high-performance routers that can be used in a PE role for SP service edge for L2 and L3 VPN services. Let's compare the two routers based on a few key performance and feature characteristics.

    Performance:

    The PTX10001-36MR is a more powerful router than the MX304. But MX304 is a more flexible router in terms of services.

    • The PTX10001-36MR scales to 9.6 Tbps in a one rack unit consuming only 0.14 W/Gbps of throughput, featuring flexible interface configuration options with universal multi-rate QSFP-DD for 100GbE/400GbE to support 120 10GbE ports with QSFP+ breakout, 60 100GbE ports with QSFP28-DD (24x2) and QSFP28 (12), 108 100GbE ports with QSFP56-DD breakout (24x4) and QSFP28 (12), and 24 400GbE ports with QSFP56-DD.
    • The MX304 delivers 4.8 Tbps of throughput in two rack units (RU), providing unmatched edge router density and performance while consuming just 0.3 W/Gbps of throughput. The MX304 Modular Interface Cards allow users to mix and match 10GbE, 25GbE, 40GbE, 50GbE, 100GbE, and 400GbE interfaces to flexibly and efficiently address their unique connectivity requirements. This makes it a better choice for networks that need to handle a lot of traffic or that need to support a large number of VPNs for Broadband Network Gateway (BNG), business edge, consumer edge, peering, SDN gateway, data center gateway, cloud edge, and metro aggregation use cases.

    Features:

    The PTX10001 and MX304 provide a wide range of features for various applications.

    • The high-performance and scalable PTX10001, which comes in one-RU form factor, 4 million IPv4 FIB, deep buffers, and integrated 100GbE and 400GbE MACsec capabilities, is easy to deploy in space- and power-constrained Internet exchange locations, remote central offices, and embedded peering points throughout the network, including cloud-hosted services. L3VPN, BGP FlowSpec, EPE, URPF, MPLS-TE, MPLS LSR, and 400G inline MACsec are some of the PTX10001-36MR's key attributes.
    • The MX304 offers a comprehensive VPN toolkit to support feature-rich, standards-based, and secure internetworking for business edge, metro Ethernet services. In addition to essential L2/L3 VPN and virtual private LAN service (VPLS) support, the MX304 offers enhanced VPN services such as quality-of-service (QoS)-prioritized VPN traffic for voice and video, L2 VPN internetworking to connect dissimilar L2 access networks, and rich IP/MPLS features to customize services and meet service-level agreements (SLAs).

    ASIC:

    • The PTX leverages Express ASIC's pipeline architecture that delivers very high performance with the most deterministic low latency. Express ASIC was designed to deliver high forwarding performance with optimized pipeline and memory characteristics for known operations such as high-capacity FIB scale, filtering, telemetry, and sampling capabilities. Express5 performance metrics include 10M+ FIB, 60M+ RIB, and 100K+ tunnels.
    • The Trio adopts a run-to-completion approach enabling users to implement more service intelligence. Trio was optimized for a flexible logical scale that delivers highly sought-after features such as large route forwarding tables, flexible tunnel encapsulation, rich quality of service, firewall security filters, traffic management counters, and scale ML aggregation operations. Trio6 performance metrics: 13M FIB, 80M RIB, 16K VRF, 4M flow, 256K filter, 16K subs, 128K queues

    Cost:

    • Both PTX10001 and MX304 are price competitive. Contact Juniper Sales to get the best quote and options to fit your need.

    The PTX10001 and MX304 are both powerful routers that can be used in a PE role for SP service edge. The best choice for a provider edge router for L2 and L3 VPN services will depend on the specific needs of the network. If the network needs a more powerful router to handle a lot of traffic or support a large number of L3VPNs, then the PTX10001 is a better choice. However, if the network does not need the same level of performance, but requires enhanced VPN services such as quality-of-service (QoS)-prioritized VPN traffic for voice and video, L2 VPN internetworking to connect dissimilar L2 access networks, and rich IP/MPLS features to customize services and meet service-level agreements (SLAs), then the MX304 is a more cost-effective option.



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  • 13.  RE: ASK-ME-ANYTHING with a Junivator: PTX, Routing, Optics etc.!

    Posted 07-14-2023 12:30

    Hi Innovators!

    Just a reminder that today is the LAST day to get your questions in for John, Juniper's Senior Product Marketing Manager for Core Routing and Optics portfolios! He's here to answer all your questions about PTX routers, routing and optics--so get your questions in before 5pm PST today. 



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    Kyla Jiayi Zhao
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